In 1840, daughter Lucy Harrison Bates married Norman Stanley Webster, a farmer who was a native of Sharon, Chenango County, New York. He was
born 2/28/1810 and he was a direct descendant of Governor John Webster, one of the first Webster men to come to America. Like her family, his
family had also had first-hand experience with pioneer settlements.
The couple quickly had a family, and by 1850 were farming in Mead, Belmont County, Ohio, where they lived with children Mary F., 11, Sarah J., 6, Elisha
Bates, 4, and youngest son Norman W., 2. Norman moved the family back to the East Coast, to Independence, Washington County, Pennsylvania, by
1860. The children, who now ranged in age from 12 to 18, lived on the family farm. Elisha Bates Webster soon followed in the footsteps of his grandfather,
Elisha Bates, by becoming a Methodist minister. He then came to West Farmington in 1877 as a graduate of Mt. Union College, a private liberal arts college
in Alliance, Ohio. By 1870, he and wife Delia Calvin had settled into their lives in West Farmington, Trumbull, OH.
Son Calvin Webster, born in January, 1870, moved to North Carolina, where he married a woman named Ellen and had a daughter Mary, born November
of 1895 in North Caroline. In 1900, he lived in Ashville, Buncombe, North Caroline, where he was a merchant. Elisha’s daughter Maud Webster, born circa
1874 in Ohio, never married. Maud was the Director of Speech at what is now Texas A&M, and there is a dormitory named Webster in her honor. Elisha’s
daughter Mabel Webster, born about 1877, married Lynn Osmer and moved to Chicago. Mabel was an incredible piano player who taught music at the
Seminary and eventually opened her own studio in Chicago.
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Mabel & Maud Webster
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A common sound on ship was wailing -- for those who had died, or from those about to die. All
day and night back, as the extreme conditions of poverty and despair took a great toll on the
civility of the passengers. The most common sound on ship was wailing -- for those who had died,
or from those about to die. All day and night aboard ship, for the approximate six weeks of the
rough journey, passengers cried. By the time fellow travel Richard Frethorne saw the shore, he
wrote, "I am not half a quarter so strong as I was in England, and all of it is for want of victualls
(food); for I doe protest unto you that I have eaten more in a day at home than I have allowed me
here for a weeke."
However well or poorly John Bates fared on sea, he survived the trip. When he arrived in
America, he was directed to help establish Peirsey's tobacco plantation, located within miles of
Jamestown Colony. So it was still in servitude that John soon settled in York County, Virginia,
usually would preclude rights of marriage, the couple married in 1624. They were blessed with
many children, all born in York Co., Va. Four years after arrival at Jamestown, his plantation
master died, and John became an independent farmer on the Gold Coast -- as the area was
becoming known due to the success of the tobacco industry. When he died on September 21,
1666 in Bruten Parish, John's will probate proceedings were held in Middletown Parish. He left his
estate to his eldest daughter Anne; son George; daughter Alse (Mrs.William Dean); son John
Bates; and wife Mary Elizabeth. Because daughters Susan and Elizabeth were not mentioned,
they likely preceded him in death. He gave his children cows, each named, and sows with piglets.
In all, he had an estate -- complete with buildings, furnishings, food, animals and clothing.
Son George Bates was born in 1625, and he lived out his life in York County, Virginia, as would
the several next generations of Bates men. George married Virginia native Mary Smith Brewer in
1643, and they were blessed with children James, John II, Hannah, Mary, and George, Jr.
Before his death, George Bates became a Quaker, adopting the teaching of religious leader
George Fox, including the necessity of living a life of prayer and showing pious faith in acts of
brotherhood. By all accounts, George lived a prosperous life and died on April 24, 1677 in
Skimono. Wife Mary lived to a good old age, dying in 1720.
John Bates II was also a life-long native of York County, Virginia. He was born in 1655 and
dubbed John Bates II of Skimoino. He married Elizabeth Daniel prior to 1685. With his first
wife, he had children John Bates III, Isaac, Hannah, and Ann. Sadly, Elizabeth died in 1692,
leaving him with four children under the age of 10. It is likely that with the help of servants and
slaves, John kept his children with him and raised them -- versus handing them off to relatives to
keep, as was common practice for a widower of that era. Regardless, we do know that he
married Hannah Trudall in about 1697. With Hannah, he had children Mary, Alice, George,
A Quaker, John II held sect meetings at his house at Skimono, the location of his plantation. He
was known as the "Quaker Merchant" and established a store which sold cloth, clothing and
hardware. Despite the teachings of his faith, he personally was known to own at least 30 slaves.
He and his brother James quickly rose in the ranks of the Quakers, and were sent to the Virginia
Yearly Meeting in July 7, 1702. John died on Christmas Day, 1719. By then, he had amassed a
fortune, which included "540 pounds of silver which he left to his daughters." He also bequeathed
plantations and other homes to family members, leaving his main plantation to his son Isaac Bates.
John Bates III was born in 1685 and married Susanna Fleming, born in 1691. Her father,
Colonel Charles Flemming, was a farmer of considerable estates. The couple wed in New Kent
County, Virginia on May 8, 1713. Their children included Fleming, John Forrest, Charles,
Hannah, James, and George. By this time, the Bates family was intermarrying with Flemings,
Jordans, Fleming, John Forrest, Charles, Hannah, James, and George. By this time, the
Bates family was intermarrying with Flemings, Jordans, Harrisons and Ratcliffes. All appeared to
be prolific, large families being the norm. Many were noted to have had “a skill and grace with a
pen” but their eloquence was commonly applied to theological thought, as they remained pious
These five families tended to be very successful tobacco farmers and plantation owners. Though
they lived simple lives, Quakers traditionally banded together to raise their crops and to support
their neighbors in similar work. It was important to leave their sons adequate land to support larger
and larger families. It isn't known how the families balanced their economic interests and political
views with religious bearings. While Quakers were told not to bear arms and to remain
conscientious objectors of war, James Bates was a soldier in the Revolutionary War. Slavery was
legalized in Virginia in the 1600s, and during John’s lifetime, about 80,000 slaves were
imported into the colony. While John Bates III prayed with his Friends, Virginia was a central
slave trade region. He died in 1723, and it would be more than 50 more years before slave
importation would be abolished in 1808. However, Quakers were, by faith, people of peace who
typically supported the abolitionist movement. Just as they refused to muster or carry arms into
war, as a sect, Quakers were essential hubs of the Underground railroad.
Fleming Bates, 1712-1794, also lived out his days in York County, Virginia. He worked on the
family plantation and married Sarah Jordan on January 5, 1737, and the couple soon had children
Edward, Elisha, Mary, Sarah, Fleming, Benjamin and Thomas Fleming Bates.
|Passenger ships arrived near
Jamestown Settlement. Though
14,000 migrated there between
1607 and 1624, Indian attacks and
disease killed all but 1,132 by the
year John Bates moved there.
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|Delia Calvin, wife of
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Ancestors: Richard Bate (1454) & Leona - Robert Bate (1486) & Katherine -
William Bate (1510) & Elizabeth Warcop - William Bates (1550) & (Unknown) - John
Bates (1576) & Martha Mallory -- John Isaac Bates, where we begin our story....
John Isaac Bates, the first known person of this family to come to America, was born in
Canterbury, Kent, England, on May 23, 1598. Whether or not he was born by class into
servanthood, he was in fact a servant of a wealth merchant named Abraham Piersey by the
time he was a young man. Piersey had made maiden voyages to the New World to check his
prospects, and while he was in Jamestown in August, 1919, he bought some of the first black
slaves ever brought to America. Soon thereafter, in 1623, he boarded his daughters and 21
servants on the American-bound Southhampton. One of those servants was John Isaac
John was listed as arriving in Virginia in 1623, classified by locals as one of those unfortunates
who "took ship to the Americas for political, religious, and economic reasons; of those who
were deported for vagrancy, roguery or non-conformity, and of those who were sold to labor
in the New Colonies.”
|Thomas Fleming Bates was a young man during
the Revolutionary War, and he (like his uncle James)
defied his family's religion to pick up arms for the
purpose of war. A family member explains: “His
love of country and hatred of tyranny caused him to
break faith with [his Quaker] sect and he enlisted as
a soldier, and continued as such until the patriot
armies of the colonies conquered a peace.” While
the family were skilled at writing to each other, and
there are collections of family papers, Fleming’s
reaction to his son’s break with their faith is
unknown. Thomas was an pioneer settler of
Goochland County, Virginia. He married Caroline
M. Woodson and fathered 12 children: Charles,
Matilda, Tarleton, Fleming, Nancy, Richard,
James W., Sarah Margaret, Susan, Frederick
When in-law Harrison Ratcliffe returned from a scouting trip to report that he had found a suitable tract of land for the family’s consideration in Ohio, Elisha
Bates was persuaded to visit and lend his opinion as well. The wealthiest of the Harrisons, Samuel Harrison, agreed to finance the migration, including provision
Finally, in 1816, the families purchased the land near Mount Pleasant, Jefferson County, Ohio. Jordan Harrison was sent ahead to make a home ready for his
parents, and then William Harrison summoned his family and gave the order to move. Though 70 years of age himself, the family patriarch sold the Queen’s
Creek property, took up the reins, and helped align the wagons. The related families made the journey together, including Benjamin Bates’ widow. The trip
began “in the fifth month” of 1817 and took four weeks by carriage, horse and foot. The families trudge through the Cumberland Gap and over 500 miles
of wilderness. They took the main north and south highway through Virginia and, between Philadelphia and the Carolinas, they crossed the “Great Wagon
Road”. Soon after settling, Elisha became leader of the Mount Pleasant Meeting for Quakers (Jordan Harrison was named clerk). However, the families’
transitions were not without tribulation. At the time, there was a huge argument amongst Quakers about what form church leadership should take.
This emotionally-charged argument became known as the Hicksite Schism. Ultimately, this philosophical split would pull Quaker families from their neighbors and
cause one of the largest religious migrations known, as like-thinking people separated themselves from different-thinking brethren. Lucy Harrison Bates, born
September 13,1808 in Virginia, was a young child when she and her parents made the arduous move from Virginia to Ohio. She was greatly influenced by her
father’s ministry and in her later years, in her memoirs, remembered with great fondness her Grandmother Harrison as a great reader of the Bible and a devout
student of the Friends (Quakers) written works. Lucy must have been confused by the Hicksite movement, and the disintegration of her family’s Quaker roots,
for her father eventually left the fold, despite his leadership position and regardless of two trips to England in the hopes of working toward a peaceful resolution.
Elisha Bates, formerly a Quaker minister in Mount Pleasant, Ohio, converted to Methodist in 1838.